“ORGATE, a farm house in the township and parish of Marske; 1 mile NW. of Marske, 5 miles from Reeth, 7 from Richmond.”
In the chapter ‘The Story’s End’ in the book ‘In the Palm of a Dale’ by David Morgan Rees, it states “Originally linked to lead mining in the area, the house at Orgate, which dates from the early eighteenth century and was probably thatched at one time, is pretty basic.”
This, however must only be speaking of the present structure since, as we’ll see, I have discovered referrals to Orgate in books and articles as far back as the 15th century!
My interest in Orgate Farm began when my family history research led me to a Marske Parish record for the baptism in 1639 of my 7th great grandfather, Simon, the son of Ralph Ward of Orgate March 8,1639. So, you can see that, with Simon’s birth record, Orgate, as a family home, already takes us back to the early 17th century! But it goes a lot further back than that… have a look!
Orgate Through the Centuries
Robert de Laton
Grant – Richard de Merske, rector of the church of Langton super Swale, to Robert de Laton’, son of John de Laton (Marske charters)
One “placeam” with two bovates of land in the vill &c of Merske which William Dogeson’ formerly held and a “placeam” called Galthus in Clintes and a close called Orgate which John Hayote holds
Tenendum of the high lords… Failing legitimate heirs of Robert’s body, the remainder is to the heirs and assigns of Richard. Warranty against all people
Witnesses: Thomas de Cleseby; Sir John de Cleseby; Thomas Paulmer; John Wetherad
Monday after SS Peter & Paul 2 Jul 1397
Parchment 3.25 x 10 ins.
Soiled, seal tag gone
[C 6; 200 B]
Ralph Pudsay, Esq.
23 July, 16 Hen. VI (1438)., Alianora widow of Thomas de Cleseby (Lord of Marske), grants seizin (legal possession of a feudal fiefdom or fee, that is to say an estate in land) to Ralph Pudsay, Esq., of Colynhall and Orgate. I understand this to mean Ralph Pudsay, Esq. was given legal possession of Colynhall (haven’t found anything about this place yet) and Orgate by Alianora. It’s not clear why.
This Ralph Pudsay/Pudsey, must be the one who later became ‘Sir’ Ralph Pudsay’, heir of the manors of Barforth (near Forcett) & the manor of Bolton by Bowland (about 15 miles west of Skipton, Yorkshire). Barforth Hall, owned by the Pudsey family from the time of Edward III until 1659, is only 16 miles northeast from Orgate.
William and Anne Conyers
At the death of William Conyers, Orgate would have been left to his son and heir Christopher Conyers.
Christopher Conyers dies in 1504 and his son William Conyers, becomes the next heir of Marske Manor (which would include Orgate)
THE PHILLIP FAMILY.
“After the death of the second William Conyers in 1558, Marske passed to Joan his only daughter and heiress who, being under age, became a ward of Queen Elizabeth. A new family now enters the scene when James Phillip, an influential member of the Royal Court, persuaded the Queen to allow his son, Arthur, to marry the Conyers’ heiress against the wishes of her family. As a result of the marriage, Arthur Phillip gained possession of the large land holdings belonging to the Conyers’ heiress, including the manor of Marske, several parcels of land in the Orgate area of the manor of Clints and several estates in the Richmond and Cleveland areas.” from British Mining #50 by Leslie Owen Tyson
Mar. 5, 1588-9. A lease of Orgate to the Phillips, for life, from the Queen: this was claimed by Sir Timothy Hutton (probably in 1597, see below). There is a letter about this lease in the Hutton Correspondence, p. 162.
Timothy Hutton, Esq
On the 7th of March, 39th Eliz., (1597) Arthur Phillip of Marske, Esq., and Francis Phillip his son and heir apparent, Talbott Bowes of Richmond, Esq., and Anth. Besson of Graie’s Inn, gent., sell the demesne of Marske for 3,000L. to Timothy Hutton, Esq. Arthur Phillip dies later the same year in October.
Marske Parish or Hutton Family
Mention of Orgate in the will of Anthony Addison, rector of Marske.
On March 9, 1603-4, he makes his will, nuncupatively, which was proved at Richmond in December. The schedule of his debts (owed to him) includes “Mr. Hutton, for the rent of Orgate Spring, 10s.” and “Mr. Hutton, for tythe woole of his sheepe of Marske moor, and for haye tithe of Orgate close, and for his oblacions.” Not sure if this would indicate that Orgate was owned by the Parish at this time or still by the Huttons.
John Layburne to Robert Willance
“The origins of the second mill to be built at Clints are obscure but evidence that one had been built comes from a sale made in 1614. John Layburne, one of the legatees under the will of John Bradley, sold his land at Orgate to Robert Willance, who had taken over the lease after his father’s death in 1602. Included in the sale was “one smelt mill” which for convenience will be called Willance’s mill.”
Quote from Mining and Smelting in the Marske Aread, Swaledale by Leslie Owen Tyson.
Sir Timothy Hutton
Sir Timothy (Hutton) inherited a good estate… In 1625 he had a rent-roll of above a thousand pounds a year, which was thus made up:—”Marske demesne, 180L. The tenement with Orgate, 50L. Marrick Abbey and tithes, 250L.”
So this means someone living at Orgate was paying rent to Timothy Hutton.
Ralph Ward de Orgate
In the Marske parish records there is the baptism of Simon Ward my 7x great grandfather, son of “Ralph Warde de Orgate”. Ralph married Eden Coates in 1638 so it seems likely that Eden was a sister of the Richard Coates mentioned above in 1635. Did Richard move out and his sister Eden move in with her new husband Ralph Ward? Or did Ralph just move in with Eden and her family? Or was there more than one dwelling at Orgate back then?
Ralph Warde – Smelter
The book “A Dales Heritage” (Hartley & Ingilby) using information from an account book kept by Dr. John Bathurst covering a little over a year from August 1st 1657 states: “one of the smelters, Ralph Warde owing £3, had paid off part leaving him still owing £1 I5s.” and also “Ralphe Warde also chopped wood and the other smelter, John Taylor, built up ‘Orgait house in Clints ground which was burnt’ for £1 2s 6d.”
This Ralph Warde is my 8x great grandfather!
Possibly Wards or Coates
1659-1730: Here is a gap of 71 years where I have not found any information on who is occupying Orgate House. No doubt it stayed in the Ward/Coates families especially if Barbara Coates (wife of Lancelot Moore (see below) turns out to be a daughter of Anthony Coates of Orgate (see above 1635). In which case Barbara Coates could have inherited Orgate and passed it to her husband Lancelot Moore.
Ralph and Eden (Coates) Ward likely died at Orgate leaving it to their son Simon, where he most likely was living when he died in 1690, but the Marske Parish records are missing for that crucial time period.
Some evidence that Simon Ward was probably living at Orgate during that time period is this:
“There was an inheritance dispute among relatives as to ownership of the mines and this resulted in a law suit which was heard in the Court of Chancery in 1682. Depositions of witnesses who were familiar with the mines testified that under the management of one of the disputants they had been very productive. “In his testimony, Simon Warde, a smelter stated that he had been a smelter at the Clints Mill for the past twenty years and that the mill was capable of smelting slag lead.”
(from a book by a Mike Gill who in turn, had made use of research carried out by L.O. Tyson and published in the journal, ‘British Mining No 50’ (1994).)
Lancelot Moore dies at Orgate, but the April 13, 1730 Marrick Parish record only states “Lancelot Moore, jager, buried.” This is interesting in the aspect of his occupation ‘jager’. According to the Oxford Dictionary of Family Names in Britain and Ireland, a jager is the “man in charge of horses carrying ore from the mine to the smelting-mill”
However, his will is what places him at Orgate prior to his death. It begins “I, Lance Moore of Orgate House…. give to my loving wife ye ould huse att marsk.” So he leaves ‘ye old house at Marske’ to his wife Barbara (Coates) Moore. I assume he is referring to Orgate House. He leaves ‘ye new house at Marske’ to his two daughters Ann Moore and Margaret Moore ‘between them’.
Charles Bathurst – Owner
In the preface to the Marske Parish register, the Curate wrote the following: “In the year 1738 when I first came to Marske as Curate, the Estates of Clints & Orgate then belonging Charles Bathurst, Esq. And now belonging Miles Stapleton Esq. Payd yearly at midsummer the sum of ______ and which payment continued mostly til the year 1769 when it was advanced to the sum of L5:19:2 Hay M_____ and that payment continues sometimes by a written sometimes by a verbal agreement till a new and written one took place January 1st 1789 and to continue for the space of 5 years. In this agreement is included the Great and small Tithes, all Mr. Stapleton’s estates of Clints and Orgate, also all the farms in the Lordship or Manor of Skelton lately purchased of John B_____? by the said Miles Stapleton, Esq. Except what in that agreement is excepted viz ___ Lead and Copper ore pigs, geese, hinds, __ He the said Mr. Stapleton paying or causing to be payd the yearly sum of L30 on the 29th day of September.”
According to the Marske Parish records, on January 10th 1747, Richard, son to Richard and Dinah Parke of Orgate was baptized.
Richard and Dinah Parke
According to the Marske Parish records, on November 12th, 1749 Jane, daughter to Richard and Dinah Parke of Orgate was baptized.
Marske register has the following entry:
– July 12th 1765 Thomas Bell of Orgate buried (this Thomas Bell was the husband of Jane Moore, daughter of Lancelot Moore above)
Marske register has the following entry:
November 22, 1772 Dorothy dr to George & Emma Coates of Orgate bapt.
George’s wife Emma was the sister to Elizabeth (Catchasides) Haseltine above.
Possibly coincidental or possibly not, George Coates is a direct descendent of the above-mentioned Richard Coates’ brother Ralph Coates.
John Wilson 1779 – 1788
Marske register has an entry June 6, 1779 for “Will’m and Mary, twin children of John and Marg’t Wilson of Orgate baptized” This John & Margaret previously lived at Skelton. There was a long line of Wilsons at neighbouring Telfit, Feldom and Helwith.
Sadly, these twins both died within 2 months of each other at age 14/15.
October 21 1784: Nanny, daughter to John and Margaret Wilson of Orgate, baptized. Pauper
April 6th 1788: Dorothy, daughter to John and Margaret Wilson of Orgate, baptized. Pauper
By 1793 John and Margaret Wilson have moved to Birk House and have 2 more children there.
During the time the Wilsons lived at Orgate, this sad mention of Orgate appeared in the Marske register:
1786. May 8. A child of Chr. Tideman’s, just removed from Jinglepot to Orgate, between 3 and 4 years old, stray’d from his father’s house and was found dead on Marske moore. – The child followed its father to the moors and was lost. They searched in vain all night, and found it dead next morning. The poor child had taken its clogs off and tried to go to sleep. Mr. Hutton remembers the incident.
June 6th 1790: Lucey Sivers, servant to Philip Cockfield, farmer at Orgate, buried.
March 9th 1792: George, son to Philip and Mary Cockfield of Orgate, farmer, baptized. (Mary’s maiden name is Elwood. She and Philip married at Marske 13 Oct 1791)
October 15th 1793: Robert son to Philip and Mary Cockfield of Orgate, farmer, baptized near 3 months old
January 2nd 1797: Joseph, son to Philip and Mary Cockfield at Orgate, farmer, 13 wks old.
May 17th 1798: Fanney, daughter to Philip and Mary Cockfield farmer of Orgate baptized
June 5th 1803: William, son of Philip and Mary Cockfield of Orgate
Nov. 26th 1804: Ann daughter of Philip (Junior) & Dorothy Cockfield, Orgate baptized (born Nov.18)
February 4th 1807: Jane, daughter of Philip & Dorothy Cockfield, Orgate baptized.
Philip (Junior, son of the above Philip and Mary) and Dorothy Cockfield married in Marske, Jan 24, 1804. They moved to Barningham in 1812.
1808 – 1840
Haven’t found any mention of Orgate in this 32 year time period…yet!
Metcalfe and Hodgson
1st household: Thomas Metcalfe age 65, farmer living at Orgate with his daughter Mary, age 25, and Isabella Hodgson, age 17 (Isabella is a daughter of neighbour Thomas Hodgson of Lummas House, Holgate); and grandson James Cansick, 8.
2nd household: William Hodgson, agricultural labourer age 33; wife Ann, 35; daughter Margaret, 8; daughter Elizabeth, 3; son William, 1.
Hodgson and Metcalfe
1st household: William Hodgson, agricultural labourer age 43 and his wife Ann age 45 and children Elizabeth, 14, William, 11, Alice, 9, Hannah, 6, and Ann, 8. This family likely lived in a separate building for the workers.
2nd household: Thomas Metcalfe, farmer of 120, employing 1 man, and family consisting of daughter Mary A. Metcalfe, 35; niece Margaret Wilkinson, 20; and a young man Joseph Pickard, farm servant.
Wilkinson and Metcalfe
In the 1861 census, living at Orgate are John Wilkinson and wife Eleanor (Metcalfe). Eleanor’s father Thomas Metcalfe is also in the household, listed as ‘widower, retired farmer’, age 87. He dies a year later in February 1862. His Marske burial record notes his abode as ‘Coxwold’. Since his daughter Eleanor dies a year before him in March 1861, maybe he went to live with another relative who lived in Coxwold.
John Iveson – born 1827 Carlton, YKS. (This would be Carlton near Leyburn since all John Iveson’s children are born in Melmerby and his wife Jane in Newbiggin, all close to Leyburn.) Farmer of 151 acres. Children are Annie, 10; Mary, 6; Isabella, 3; and John, 1. The family obviously had just recently moved to Orgate since the 1 year old son was born in Melmerby.
Also in the household is a general servant, Margaret White, age 19, born Feetham, Swaledale.
Perhaps the Ivesons responded to this ad posted in the Teesdale Mercury in 1871
GRAZING FARM. TO BE LET RY TENDER, the Grazing Farm, called ORGATE FARM, containing about 151 ACRES, situate at MARSKE, 5 miles from Richmond. Christopher Wilson, of Marske, will shew the Farm. Tenders (with Testimonials) to be sent to JAMES GOTHORP, Esq., Mowbray Hill, Bedale, Yorkshire, on or before the 27th December.
Still the John and Jane Iveson family (still farmer of 151 acres) listed with the same children. Anne, 20; Mary Ellen, 17; Isabel, 14; and John G M D, 11. (Son John’s full name is John George Metcalfe Dent Iveson)
By 1891 John Iveson is listed as a widower and living in the household are daughter Isabella J. Iveson, housekeeper; and son John G., farmer’s son. John’s wife Jane died in January of 1891, her burial record states her abode as ‘Orgate, Marske’.
By 1901, John Iveson, widower is 73 years old, still a farmer and employer. His son John G., age 31 is married to a Mary A. born in Hurst (this would be Mary Ann Thompson), age 31. They have an infant daughter, Jane A. age 7 months. There is a John Thompson, visitor, age 24 and a shepherd named Thomas Coates Thompson, age 18, both likely brothers of Mary Ann Thompson.
By 1911 John Iveson is 85 and has moved to Gingle Pot along with his son John George Metcalfe Dent Iveson and wife.
Living at Orgate in 1911 is James Chapman Brown, 48, farmer. He had lived at Green House, Marrick at the time of his marriage in 1886 to Mary Jane Peacock (daughter of George Peacock of Healaugh, lead miner). Mary Jane was living at Bushy Park, Marske at the time of marriage, possibly as a servant. In 1891 they were living at Greenhurst, Marrick.
In a story about Orgate in the Marske Millennium book called ‘In the Palm of a Dale’ there is this picture with the caption “Orgate Farm in 1908 with Edward and Alice Brown, children of the tennants, James Chapman Brown and his wife Mary.”
The 1911 census shows James and Mary Chapman at Orgate Farm with 4 children, 3 born at Hurst between 1887 and 1892 and 1 born at Marske in 1904. They appear in the 1901 census in Marrick Village, So, they must have moved to Orgate sometime between 1901 and 1904.
At some point prior to James’ death in 1934, he had moved from Orgate, and was living at Home Farm, Marske.
Interestingly, James had a brother Thomas William Brown who married as a second wife in 1939, Alice Ward, daughter of John Thomas Ward, post master at Reeth and a descendant of Simon Ward b.1639 at Orgate!! Can’t help but wonder if James Chapman Brown was aware at the time that his brother was marrying a descendant of one of the earliest occupants of his house, my 8th great grandparents, Ralph and Eden (Coates) Ward.
1912 – 1939
When James Roger Peacock married Jane Elizabeth Hodgson in 1913 his residence was ‘Orgate, Marske’. Then, they both appear in the 1939 census at Orgate. Jane Elizabeth Hodgson was the niece of William Hodgson who married Isabel Jane Iveson the one who grew up at Orgate (see 1871 – 1901 above). Before Jane Elizabeth and James Roger Peacock married, she was living with her mother Margaret and stepfather Charles Alderson at Telfit Farm, just a short way up the lane from Orgate.
James Roger Peacock, although born in Bolton cum Redmire, had roots in Swaledale, as his great great grandfather, Edmund Peacock was born in Thwaite in 1741, one in a long line of Thwaite Peacocks.
In the 1939 census James’ son Thomas W. Peacock, born 1914, is also listed. Thomas married in 1952, Olive A. MacPherson, but there is no record of where they lived.
1940 – 1967
There exists a large gap between the 1939 census and 1967. At that time George and Margaret Rutter purchased Orgate from Bobby Fawcett. There is a Marske burial record for Ella Fawcett, “late of Orgate Farm”. She was born February 19, 1917 and was buried in Marske 15 Jul 1992 . She was the widow of Robert (Bobby) Fawcett of Manor House, Marske who was born 1917, died in Northallerton in 1979 and buried in Marske.
If the reader has any knowledge of whether Robert (Bobby) Fawcett actually lived at Orgate and if so, when? owned or lived at Orgate I’d be happy to enter the information here.
1967 – Present
Orgate Farm has been owned by George and Margaret (Dinsdale) Rutter from 1967 to the present. George passed away in 1998. Currently occupied by their nephew Peter Coates, councilor for Marske and New Forrest. So, for my Orgate family interests, it starts and ends with a Coates, albeit I have not been able to find a connection between the two. That would be amazing if there was!
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